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T40Flamelizard
Joined: 05/08/2017
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I'm pretty new to the game and this is the first time I've seen something like this. What happened here?

My starter goes 5 2/3 and allows 3 runs. It's a 3-1 game and my manger elects to bring in my long reliever. I've noticed my long reliever being used an awful lot in the past few days and not in the most ideal situations for a long reliever. Anyhow, I have his hook set at 4 and his pitch count at 70. He pitches the final 3 1/3 innings, allows 12 ER on 9 hits, throws 106 pitches... what gives? Also, not a single other pitcher in my 'pen has one bar of fatigue. All completely full. Wtf?

My team has been off to a good start this season and this really annoys me. I figured I should just post and see what other people think. Am I missing something or does the sim just do this occasionally? Thanks for any feedback.

T40

Updated Wednesday, June 7 2017 @ 4:16:24 pm PDT
Rock777
Joined: 09/21/2014
Posts: 9591

Haverhill Halflings
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This is what is in the manual:

Hook: set a limit on the runners and runs a pitcher is allowed before he is pulled. Essentially, is compared to the number of earned & unearned runs a pitcher has given up, plus the number of base runners. The higher this value, the longer the manager will leave the pitcher in the game.

Basically, the pitcher is replaced if either of the following conditions are true:

- 2 * Earned Runs > Hook
- Total Runs + Base Runners > Hook

So as you can see, if your pitcher has given up 3 runs and allow just 1 guy on base he will be pulled with a 4 hook. I usually have my hook set to 5 (untrustworthy youths I want pulled fast) or 7 (standard trusted starters).

EDIT: Maybe you were referring to you LR having a hook of 4? It that case it was probably the score. If you are getting blown out your AI manager (intelligently) chooses not to waste a good pitcher in the game and will stick to LRs to eat up garbage innings.

Updated Wednesday, June 7 2017 @ 4:29:26 pm PDT
T40Flamelizard
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Yeah, I was referring to the long reliever getting left in so long... he gave up 10 runs in the 9th inning alone. It was a close game when he was brought in (3-1) so I don't think the score had much to do with it. Even when it's 5-1 after the 8th, the game wasn't completely blown open or something. Ended up being a 15-1 final. Makes no sense to me.
newtman
Joined: 11/02/2013
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It depends how deep your bullpen is and what their settings are. If you are down by four runs after the 8th no manager would bring in a setup guy or closer, so the only options left are MR and LR. If you only have one of each that could easily explain why one LR gets left in, also if you have customized the RD settings you could have hurt yourself too. Down four runs with one inning to go is pretty tall odds against coming back, I don't see it as odd at all.
T40Flamelizard
Joined: 05/08/2017
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Thanks for the replies. I actually haven't messed with the RD at all. They're just set at the standard based on pitching roles. I do see the point about not going to a set up guy or closer down by four, but it still seems a bit extreme to leave a guy in while he gives up 10+ runs. Especially when he's 30 pitches over his pitch count and his hook is 4.

Updated Thursday, June 8 2017 @ 3:18:05 am PDT
Endrju
Joined: 05/28/2015
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I think this is weird, he should get pulled in the 9th inning after reaching his hook, when the game wasn't blown. What about your settings for middle relief / setup pitchers? Was LR the only choice in 6th inning? I'm asking because I have my MRs set to enter in 5th earliest, and the manager almost never chooses LRs over MRs in those spots. Similarly, setup men are set to enter in 7th, and they are manager's first choice.
amalric7
Joined: 01/20/2016
Posts: 2236

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Ah, the T40FlameLizard, not to be confused with the older T39FlameLizard model...

;)
Pig_Cola
Joined: 09/15/2013
Posts: 1445

Glendale Marshals
III.2

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I find it interesting why my LR comes in the ninth inning instead of my MR in this game. http://brokenbat.org/game/2469859
T40Flamelizard
Joined: 05/08/2017
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@endrju

Yeah, just took a look at my other settings. I've moved guys around a little bit since the incident, but it's mostly the same...two MR, one with a first inning at 2 and the other at 5. One with a hook of 4 and the other with 2. I have two LHS, first innings at 3 and 5, one with a hook of 2 and pitch count at 20. A RHS whose first inning is 7, pitch count 10 hook 2. SET man at inning 8 and closer at 9. RDs are all standard. Plenty of other options! Not sure why he was left in so long....

And my LR has been getting way too much work in general. I'm in first place in my league and he's 3rd on my team in innings pitched. Most of my starters can make it through 5 innings no problem. Hard for me to figure out.

This is also why I elect to have the early first inning settings For my MR and Specialists. Not sure if this screws anything up or if I even understand it right (my understanding is if a 1st inning is set at 3, that pitcher can come in at any time from the 3rd inning on).

Updated Friday, June 9 2017 @ 4:12:09 pm PDT


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