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#48405	04/26/2017 9:52:31 pm		Ignore
MukilteoMike Joined: 08/09/2014 Posts: 3294 Inactive	Pre-1990s baseball. I love it. I have no idea how old you are, but you should check out multi-inning closing studs of the past like Dan Quisenberry and Rollie Fingers. They used to deserve some credit for their saves. I think a multi-inning closer is quite useful if: (1) You don't have quality starters who can consistently get you to the ninth; (2) You have one reliever who is clearly better than your others. In other words, if you don't trust your staff to hold the lead until the ninth for one reason or another, "save" the game earlier.
#48406	04/26/2017 10:36:20 pm		Ignore
g10rsh Joined: 02/05/2016 Posts: 170 Champaign Suzumebachi VI.2	Congrats on the success, I recently moved my team over to this style of closer, especially after reading this article. The save ruined baseball, The goose egg can save it. Where they try to design a better stat than saves and name it after Goose Gossage. I don't follow it exactly, my best closer comes in anytime from the 7th inning when we are up by 3 or less and not down by more than one. My setup and middle relievers blew a lot of really close games this season(11-22 in 1 run games, 1-4 in extra innings) so I figured why not give it a try.
#48409	04/27/2017 5:30:37 am		Ignore
MukilteoMike Joined: 08/09/2014 Posts: 3294 Inactive	Yeah, I read that article when you posted in before. There are definitely some problems with the Goose Egg, but I would say it still measures value better than a save does. While I think saves are overblown (no pun intended), there's one thing I think is good about saves and how managers deal with those close games--they give the best two or three relievers a solid role. Relievers, after all, are people. We tend to just look at numbers, but we shouldn't forget the people. With their specialist roles, they can prepare better for their responsibility. Closers, for instance, know exactly when they're coming in. They don't have to get up in the seventh inning and frantically get loose because the starter is beginning to show weakness. They have a set routine and can come in to the game prepared almost as beautifully as the starting pitcher. The set-up guy has basically the exact same benefit, but applies it one inning earlier. However, there are some people who don't need a set routine and role. If I was a manager, when one of my guys looks as though he's becoming my best reliever, I would try putting him in a flex role; one that basically is in search of hoarding goose eggs. If he thrives in it, like Andrew Miller does, I would definitely utilize him in that manner. However, if he's like most people and needs a routine to get the best out of him, I'd label him my closer and go with the status quo. There's yet another problem with the flex role, though--the other relievers. If you don't have a second guy that can operate well without a defined role, you might give back the benefit gained by the flex guy with the reliever who needs the routine. That's the real world. Broken Bat is another thing entirely. These are nothing more than 0's and 1's. I don't think they really care, which is why I don't use a closer. I have my best reliever as a set-up guy who is available in the eighth inning to close the door. Edit--I forgot one other thing about the one-inning specialists in the real world--it's quite possible that they pitch better because they only have one inning to pitch. Most of them now are high heat guys. It's much easier to go out there and throw high heat for 15 pitches than it is for twice that. Also, they're available for almost every game, where two inning guys aren't. Updated Thursday, April 27 2017 @ 5:37:22 am PDT
#48433	04/27/2017 5:15:12 pm		Ignore
Squiddcatt Joined: 02/25/2016 Posts: 375 Inactive	I also keep my closer starting in the eight cause I've never had that many pitchers.
#48434	04/27/2017 5:57:37 pm		Ignore
12twelve Joined: 02/05/2017 Posts: 131 Inactive	Ive been doing the multi-inning closer much of the year. I moved a starter there and have him set to come in the 7th cuz my middle/late relief was struggling. More innings obviously offer up more chance of a blown save but his stats are: 6-3 W-L, 36/45 save opportunities; 123 1/3 innings pitched; 3.21 ERA I'd consider it a pretty successful endeavor.
#48441	04/27/2017 11:03:49 pm		Ignore
dsz071 Joined: 09/12/2015 Posts: 334 Inactive	The last two seasons I went with my closers in the 8th inning. Combined they had 103 saves with 20 blown. ERAs were 3.44 and 3.60. Pretty alright numbers, for sure. Most of the blown saves due to them being tired from working 2-3 straight games. So this year I went to my closer in the 9th. He's at 64 saves in 67 chances with a 1.68 ERA. Granted, three different pitchers and everything but I prefer the one inning closer, for now at least.
#48443	04/27/2017 11:31:50 pm		Ignore
wil_m Joined: 01/08/2016 Posts: 248 Inactive	Yeah, my closer has been doing 2 innings saves for 3 seasons now. He is very good at it most of the time. For many games of this season my setup man would often enter the game in the 6th inning and also pitch 2 innings. But I can not take credit for that. The game AI just seemed to start doing that on its own with my closer and setup man. May-be that is because they both have good stamina. They were very effective for many games this season. But I eventually realized that I would not win my division so I used the management settings to limit their innings so other pitchers could gain experience.
#48444	04/27/2017 11:40:21 pm		Ignore
wil_m Joined: 01/08/2016 Posts: 248 Inactive	A side note here . . . I have noticed that some teams in the Legends League and in other leagues do not assign a closer. They go with only two setup men instead. That is interesting. But it looks like it really works for some teams in the Legends League.
#48445	04/28/2017 12:32:35 am		Ignore
Endrju Joined: 05/28/2015 Posts: 577 Inactive	I have my closer on 8th inning entry for 7 seasons now, but a very short leash, so he even picked up some holds
#48449	04/28/2017 5:06:13 am		Ignore
newtman Joined: 11/02/2013 Posts: 3343 Inactive	I went back to having a closer last season after several seasons of just using multiple set-up men. My closer comes in in the 8th and due to his pitch count gets a hold almost as often as a save, but because most of my bullpen is reliable for at least an out or two it seems to work pretty well.

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