Broken Bat - Discussion Forum: ROY Voting

Post ID	Date & Time	Game Date	Function

#48774	05/05/2017 6:42:58 am
AssumedPseudonym Joined: 10/26/2016 Posts: 1130 Deerfield Beach Rats V.7	Quit being so greedy, you got both of the pitching awards. ^.~ Seriously though, yeah, I figured Sakai was probably going to win that one. I’ll admit I’m surprised that Quinones didn’t get more votes than he did, though; looking at the comparative stats, it might should’ve been a bit closer than it was. I wonder how much POTGs factor into the voting. Updated Friday, May 5 2017 @ 6:43:54 am PDT

#48776	05/05/2017 6:45:27 am
dsz071 Joined: 09/12/2015 Posts: 334 Inactive	lmao... I know, I'm a greedy SOB. But yeah, I saw the POTG difference. I figured HR would carry more weight than SB and at least make it closer. But then there's the difference in OBP also. Quinones doesn't see too many pitches he won't swing at.

#48778	05/05/2017 7:28:51 am
Endrju Joined: 05/28/2015 Posts: 577 Inactive	Yeah the year end voting always seems to be controversial, for example this year I fell we got robbed from Cy Young for our pitcher, lines below: 46 votes - 15-11, 248 IP, 207 K, 2.75 ERA, .202 BAA 26 votes - 16-9, 220 IP, 121 K, 2.53 ERA, .216 BAA (my guy) 25 votes - 17-3, 193 IP, 171 K, 3.07 ERA, .209 BAA I feel the strikeouts play too important role and are hurting finesse pitchers, like my player.

#48780	05/05/2017 7:56:49 am
Tiger504 Joined: 06/17/2014 Posts: 1314 Kalamazoo Bloody Tigers III.4	The other thing that carries significant weight in Cy Young voting seems to be Innings Pitched. Seems like anyone over 240 has a significant advantage

#48782	05/05/2017 8:42:28 am
MukilteoMike Joined: 08/09/2014 Posts: 3294 Inactive	Here's more proof that SB are weighted far too heavily (this one is for MVP): 104 R, 35 HR, 111 RBI, 7 SB, 307 BA, 378 OBP, 613 SLG, 991 OPS. 85 R, 19 HR, 97 RBI, 25 SB, 318 BA, 317 OBP, 552 SLG, 899 OPS. The stolen base guy beats my guy. Right. Also, it clearly doesn't care about CS. My guy had 2 and the other had 11. That means they produced about the same number of runs via stealing bases. Personally, I don't care who wins the MVP. I'm just pointing out that the formula gives much too much to stolen bases.

#48783	05/05/2017 8:46:58 am
ChillFunkEz3000 Joined: 03/13/2017 Posts: 170 High Point Shaolin Stars III.4	@dsz071 Ran Extrapolated Runs for the three guys that finished top3 in your league for ROY. Results: Sakai: 118 XR & 7.1 XR/27 Quinones: 104 XR & 6.5 XR/27 Agostini: 73 XR & 4.2 XR/27 Extrapolated Runs are the total number of runs each player produced, while Extrapolated Runs per 27 outs is the number of runs each player would of produced per game if they would use all 27 outs per game (it removes the potential difference in games player or/and AB's). Sakai was offensively better then Quinones, well deserved ROY for him IMO.

#48784	05/05/2017 8:55:41 am
ChillFunkEz3000 Joined: 03/13/2017 Posts: 170 High Point Shaolin Stars III.4	@MukilteoMike Ran the same stat for the top three MVP in your league. Results: Reid: 101 XR & 6.5 XR/27 Pérez: 120 XR & 8.4 XR/27 Durham: 119 XR & 6.8 XR/27 Seems like Pérez should've won this one hands down, he got shafted big time. Even Durham got better offensive production than Reid.

#48785	05/05/2017 8:55:55 am
Yuri84 Joined: 10/14/2014 Posts: 639 Apple Valley Raccoons IV.4	Guess what - as usual, in all those 'controversial" cases (dsz's, Mike's and Endrju's) the winners had higher pot. I keep repeating that every season to no avail, but that's one more proof that higher pot (or SI, whatever) matters a lot when it comes to awards. Updated Friday, May 5 2017 @ 8:58:45 am PDT

#48789	05/05/2017 9:12:23 am
AssumedPseudonym Joined: 10/26/2016 Posts: 1130 Deerfield Beach Rats V.7	In Mike’s case, I’d buy that argument, but not in the Sakai/Quinones case. Mike’s player got hosed, pure and simple. Quinones had a helluva year, it’s just that Sakai had a better one. (Also, potentially worth mentioning, Sakai started the season as a 13 POT. He just didn’t finish the year there.)

#48795	05/05/2017 11:02:21 am
Philliesworld Joined: 10/17/2014 Posts: 786 Pierre Jacobins III.3	I really, really agree with Yuri. I've seen it over and over again, the player with the better SI/POT always has a big advantage IMO. It happened a lot with Ray Bailey. He'd have rather average stats by the AS break and he would beat out players with better stats but less SI for 2B all-star spot.