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#64594	04/11/2019 9:27:20 pm	May 29th, 2040	Ignore
buffmckagan Joined: 12/22/2013 Posts: 651 Scranton Bears Legends	Anyone use sabermetrics in determining who plays on your team? I've thought about it and am curious to see any thoughts
#64597	04/12/2019 1:16:13 am	May 29th, 2040	Ignore
Frankebasta Joined: 09/15/2013 Posts: 884 Kodiak Mules III.3	No. I don't think it's possible. Sabermetrics is trying to pry into RL events. Here we are in need to reverse engineer a Game Engine. Unless Steve has been so ingenious to imbibe all the knowledge of Sabermetrics into a simulation, it is pointless. If he did so, Steve should not be here, but working for the Dodgers, or the Padres?, instead
#64600	04/12/2019 5:06:44 am	May 29th, 2040	Ignore
tamale Joined: 02/19/2018 Posts: 357 Concord Jets Legends	I use a method of evaluating prospects and young players where I try to combine current skills, training history, scouting reports, and minor league stats into a single measure. But as it's completely based on my own opinion (rather than anything that's proven to lead to wins) it's probably not that useful beyond identifying easy cuts. For old guys I just tend to eyeball their skills and stats. I think the basic stats provide enough information on how effective batters and pitchers are (without the need to "reverse engineer" the game engine which I agree would be difficult), but defense is a bit trickier, especially range.
#64602	04/12/2019 5:20:41 am	May 29th, 2040	Ignore
Seca Joined: 05/05/2014 Posts: 5199 Waterloo Dinosaurs Legends	wOBA is pretty easy to do in a spreadsheet. A nice overall stat that can give you a little different perspective on some players. I'm not sure the weights should be the same here as in MLB, but I don't mess with them. I tried to make a WAR calculator a few years ago. Got bogged down with the defensive runs. Specifically, I was trying to weight our player skills (arm, range, field) at the various positions to try and come up with output that resembled real players. (eg., a 20-20-20 SS giving a UZR number like Andrelton Simmons). It was a nightmare. Any numbers I do are mostly for fun. Can't say I make lineup or personnel decisions based on them.
#64603	04/12/2019 5:29:05 am	May 29th, 2040	Ignore
hurstdm Joined: 01/18/2017 Posts: 576 Murfreesboro Moo Cows VI.5	I've read most of what Bill James wrote, multiple times, starting with the 1980s Abstracts. They're an excellent resource and a fun read. He's a great writer - not just a great baseball writer. I was a Baseball Prospectus reader for years. I highly recommend reading this primer if you're just getting started. It's his own summary of the most important points from his research from about 1988. Some of it is old news and based out of what people believed in the 1970s, but much of it is applicable to Broken Bat. Point 1 is up for debate here. I'd also argue that Broken Bat (annoyingly) has shifted catchers left of 1B on the defensive spectrum because the lone required attribute is Arm. From the manual: "The catcher (C) does not field many balls, but is required to try to throw out runners trying to steal bases. For this the catcher should have a good arm. Range and fielding aren't particularly important." This is bizarro-weird from real life, where a good catcher is the most difficult defensive player for a team to acquire. My catcher bats leadoff, which feels diabolically wrong.
#64604	04/12/2019 5:59:21 am	May 29th, 2040	Ignore
Seca Joined: 05/05/2014 Posts: 5199 Waterloo Dinosaurs Legends	I'd say the manual is a little off / out of date there. Fielding is relevant reducing passed balls. You may not see it season to season (a lot of variability), but if you compare career numbers there is an effect. Catcher is the oddball. It's fielding runs for WAR is a different calculation than the rest of the positions. From a WAR pov, I'd argue BrokenBat C are actually a little easier to relate. Arm --> stolen base prevention, Fielding --> fielding / blocking. (Framing isn't in WAR). It's a good point about C being demanding defensively, but I think it's done about as well as it can be here. If you were to relate range to "agility" you are just blurring the defensive templates (I just drafted Lindor. Should he play SS or C?) Alternatively you could give all players additional skills that relate to catching. IMO that's unecessry complexity, and a lot of potential clutter and confusion on the player card. A third option would be to cast specific players as C, and give them different defensive player skills. This would add realism, but would hurt gameplay. A big part of the game is deciding who goes where. If C are C period that's fewer decisions for the manager to make. Again, I agree with your point that C should be more demanding from a skill perspective, but within the framework of BrokenBat I think it's done pretty well.
#64606	04/12/2019 6:09:22 am	May 29th, 2040	Ignore
hurstdm Joined: 01/18/2017 Posts: 576 Murfreesboro Moo Cows VI.5	You're right that Broken Bat models catchers about as well as it can within the simple framework, without adding new attributes. I've been knocking around some thoughts for improving catcher defense and might post about them to the "suggestions" page soon.
#64608	04/12/2019 6:31:07 am	May 29th, 2040	Ignore
Holmes Joined: 11/07/2013 Posts: 1175 Inactive	Same as Seca, basically. I moved from OPS to wOBA as my first offensive number to look at a few seasons ago. I make my judgements based on skills much more than actual performance, though. I don't see a way to calculate reasonable defensive performances or, therefore, WAR, here.
#64613	04/12/2019 7:02:24 am	May 29th, 2040	Ignore
ChillFunkEz3000 Joined: 03/13/2017 Posts: 170 High Point Shaolin Stars III.4	"Anyone use sabermetrics in determining who plays on your team? I've thought about it and am curious to see any thoughts I use Extrapolated Runs for hitters and fWAR for pitchers without park adjustments. I don't use them to determine who plays or not, more of just another added statistic to help make the decision when I decide to make adjustments. Updated Friday, April 12 2019 @ 4:08:26 pm PDT

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