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#31901 | 03/16/2016 10:16:02 am | ||
admin Joined: 01/27/2010 Posts: 4985 Administrator | I thought this article was right on point: Minor League Leaderboard Context It states that "Last season the average age of a rookie was 24.5 in Major League Baseball" - January, 2012 I was surprised that the average age of a AAA player was so high 28.2 yo (that's a lot of Crash Davises'). But there is a huge difference between average age and average age of a Major League prospect. Most of the players in the minors are fillers. Clearly, if you're 28 yo and still in AAA, your club doesn't view you as a Major League prospect. Also keep in mind, Broken Bat minor leaguers are only suppose to be Major League prospects. No point in having you manage four additional teams of filler players. Steve Updated Wednesday, March 16 2016 @ 10:21:46 am PDT |
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#31903 | 03/16/2016 11:07:12 am | ||
newtman Joined: 11/02/2013 Posts: 3343 Inactive | Of course the other slight difference is the league structure component. I personally value two seasons worth of play that keeps me competitive in LL II or possibly Legends over 5 seasons worth of play that is not good enough to keep me competitive in the highest leagues. Also the hard decline seen in the game around 31 or 32, which is right when Jose Bautista was rounding into form. | ||
#31905 | 03/16/2016 11:15:30 am | ||
admin Joined: 01/27/2010 Posts: 4985 Administrator | Also the hard decline seen in the game around 31 or 32, which is right when Jose Bautista was rounding into form. Yeah, but we have drug testing in Broken Bat... No...but seriously...Bautista was hitting 15-16 HRs at age 25-27. Then at age 29, he pops to 54 homers and seems to be playing at an elite level through last season at age 34. There are some very productive players in Broken Bat at age 33-34...albeit they aren't Vince Coleman-type base stealers. We have also pushed back the decline ages and made them fuzzier (more varied), but that is taking a while to work through the player population. Steve |
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#31906 | 03/16/2016 11:52:52 am | ||
MukilteoMike Joined: 08/09/2014 Posts: 3294 Inactive | I don't think the harsh and early decline with age is realistic. As I vented at the last season flip, I had a 31 year old pitcher lose a point in every pitching skill other than COS; that's pretty silly. Part of the problem, I think, is that BEING a pitcher isn't a skill. Here it's all physical attributes, so while guys learn and generally improve their pitching (and hitting) intelligence throughout their career in real life, there's nothing here that seems to compensate for that. That being what it is I still don't think the aging penalty is a bad thing. It forces teams to churn out players more frequently, which probably makes the game better even though it doesn't mirror reality. |
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#31907 | 03/16/2016 12:26:34 pm | ||
admin Joined: 01/27/2010 Posts: 4985 Administrator | Like I said, we are working to push back the decline and to make it vary a bit more on a per player per skill basis. That said, there are still 35 yo pitchers that are effective (despite some decline). There needs to be some reasonable turnover. If players were all effective until their late 30's, then it would be much easier to build & maintain a dynasty. Steve Updated Wednesday, March 16 2016 @ 1:17:43 pm PDT |
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#31912 | 03/16/2016 3:13:57 pm | ||
Rock777 Joined: 09/21/2014 Posts: 9591 Haverhill Halflings III.1 | I think its working pretty well as is. I don't frequently see guys dying at 31, but that is part of the fuzziness, which is good in my opinion. Newtman, you are basically saying that you want long shots to pay off because it is to hard to just pick up quality players. That's the point of this game. You have to have a strategy and balance risk and reward. If the game just handed everyone a top prospect for each position it would be incredibly boring. The fact that most of our long shots don't pay off seem as designed to me. |
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#31914 | 03/16/2016 4:09:27 pm | ||
newtman Joined: 11/02/2013 Posts: 3343 Inactive | @Rock, what you are conflating is the idea that pushing the auto-recommend age up a couple of years is going to make all the long shots pay off. My point is to take SOME (not all) of the ambiguity out of the development of the long shots. It would still be on the owner to realize that the guy who is only gaining two SI points per season is never going to pan out and to drop him. Right now guys like Guzman are really difficult to figure out at 25 because at 80 SI with 15 potential you are forced to wonder whether he is one of those guys that will gain 40 SI in the majors or do I need to leave him down another season. By the time he stopped gaining SI at 28 it was too late to go back and change the decision I made 3 seasons earlier. Maybe 28 is too late, but 26 still would help out some of these guys who currently we are blind on... |
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#31918 | 03/16/2016 5:11:46 pm | ||
Rock777 Joined: 09/21/2014 Posts: 9591 Haverhill Halflings III.1 | My point is, by the time they guy is 25 you should be able to figure out for yourself how to evaluate the guy. I don't see why the AI needs to hold your hand through every step of the process. If you have him in the wrong place, you'll lose a couple SI. If you are serious about min/maxing (rather then just playing the game as a game), then you should do the research and figure it out for yourself, not expect the game to spoon feed the answer to you. | ||
#31921 | 03/16/2016 6:56:58 pm | ||
MukilteoMike Joined: 08/09/2014 Posts: 3294 Inactive | Not everyone possesses your Carnac the Magnificent powers, Rock. I agree with Newtman that getting recommendations through age 25 would be helpful for one reason-foreign players. There are plenty of guys who come from other lands who are older than 22. If you get a 23 year old at the end of a season, you basically get only one year to figure out his trajectory. There isn't sufficient information to determine that in that short of a period. Secondarily, it's a similar situation with 22 year olds who have bot, inept or inactive owners who mismanage players leaving huge question marks for guys after two misappropriated seasons. | ||
#32247 | 03/24/2016 5:56:09 am | ||
mark41974 Joined: 11/04/2014 Posts: 74 Inactive | just wanted to bump this. |