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#49241	05/18/2017 3:47:38 am		Ignore
MukilteoMike Joined: 08/09/2014 Posts: 3294 Inactive	In a recent thread somewhere I read about people comparing rankings and ratings from years past. I thought it would be interesting to take a look at how they've moved over the last several seasons. As I accumulate the data over the next couple weeks, I thought I would throw some trivia at you regarding the findings. Here's the first one: What current Top 50 team is the only Top 50 team that has improved its Ranking and Rating every year since 2024, the first year they're displayed on the History page? Since that's an incredibly difficult question, I'll even supply a couple of extra hints. They've been in the Top 50 for 4 years now, but haven't cracked the Top 25 yet. If you think you know the owner or team, take a guess. And don't cheat by looking up teams and their histories. Shame on you! If no one guesses correctly in 24 hours, I'll post a couple more hints.
#49243	05/18/2017 4:08:04 am		Ignore
PrivateSnowflake Joined: 01/06/2015 Posts: 1169 Bloomington Thunder Legends	I'll guess Frank's Laredo club.
#49245	05/18/2017 4:38:59 am		Ignore
MukilteoMike Joined: 08/09/2014 Posts: 3294 Inactive	Nope. The Mustangs have bounced around in the ratings and finished exactly 25th in 2030. (They were in Legends pre-2024 so I'm sure they were higher then, but those numbers wouldn't be considered for these purposes.) Note--The only reason I actually responded here was to provide a little clarity to the question. The rankings/ratings displayed and considered are only the year end numbers. I'm not quite insane enough to look at the rankings as they change throughout the season. I'm not sure there even is a way to see that, but I thought I would clarify that anyway. Updated Thursday, May 18 2017 @ 4:42:25 am PDT
#49246	05/18/2017 4:44:26 am		Ignore
Favuz Joined: 02/26/2014 Posts: 639 Oxnard Sunsets IV.3	I Think i've found The team,But i'll wait others to answer. Edit:i didn 't Read Well so i checked history,otherwise i admit That i could had never found it Updated Thursday, May 18 2017 @ 5:05:37 am PDT Updated Thursday, May 18 2017 @ 5:07:19 am PDT
#49247	05/18/2017 5:26:45 am		Ignore
Philliesworld Joined: 10/17/2014 Posts: 788 Pierre Jacobins III.3	The Raleigh Braves come immediately to my mind. That's my guess. Also I didn't check!
#49249	05/18/2017 6:34:47 am		Ignore
Pig_Cola Joined: 09/15/2013 Posts: 1445 Glendale Marshals III.2	I will say the Minneapolis Tigers, Bismark Phoenixes, or Missoula Polar Bears. Also didn't search anything.
#49250	05/18/2017 6:46:54 am		Ignore
Squiddcatt Joined: 02/25/2016 Posts: 375 Inactive	I want to say Kalamazoo they are just staying in level III year after year. I looked it up and well if I gave you people a hint it would give it away probably. Updated Thursday, May 18 2017 @ 7:13:47 am PDT
#49253	05/18/2017 7:21:24 am		Ignore
Tiger504 Joined: 06/17/2014 Posts: 1314 Kalamazoo Bloody Tigers III.4	My first guess was my club too but we had a poor cup showing in 2031. Didnt make it out of group. I will guess Sioux City, my SILs team.
#49256	05/18/2017 8:11:45 am		Ignore
amalric7 Joined: 01/20/2016 Posts: 2238 New York Lancers V.4	I think they've posted in here - Favuz' Roanoke Orioles.
#49259	05/18/2017 10:28:09 am		Ignore
newtman Joined: 11/02/2013 Posts: 3343 Inactive	Definitely not me, though I appreciate the vote of confidence. I am currently 18th and was as high as 10th. I like this trivia game. My first guess was JJNZ's Missoula team, but then I looked at the top 50 and saw he wasn't there. The team that sticks out as a consistent improver between 26-50 to me is Endrju's Warsaw Phoenixes. He has built that team from the 600s if I recall correctly, and to be honest I didn't even know he was in the top 50 until I opened the entire rankings.
#49261	05/18/2017 12:36:58 pm		Ignore
Squiddcatt Joined: 02/25/2016 Posts: 375 Inactive	Amalric7 did you guess or looked but I found that he is it.
#49263	05/18/2017 2:48:13 pm		Ignore
JJNZ Joined: 12/09/2014 Posts: 1581 Yakima Monster III.3	Appreciate the votes of confidence but I've never made it into the top 50! Great idea Mike, something to help get us all to know each others teams a little better! Updated Thursday, May 18 2017 @ 2:48:33 pm PDT
#49264	05/18/2017 3:46:56 pm		Ignore
amalric7 Joined: 01/20/2016 Posts: 2238 New York Lancers V.4	@Squidcatt - I looked at the top 50 and guessed straight away. Was surprised when I checked, but Favuz has built up a really good team.
#49267	05/18/2017 9:21:28 pm		Ignore
newtman Joined: 11/02/2013 Posts: 3343 Inactive	The thing that confused me was that I remembered that Favuz had demoted once in the past 10 seasons. How he finished higher in a lower league is a little puzzling, but impressive. Updated Thursday, May 18 2017 @ 9:21:55 pm PDT
#49268	05/18/2017 9:55:49 pm		Ignore
MukilteoMike Joined: 08/09/2014 Posts: 3294 Inactive	Good job. There were several teams that almost performed the feat, but all others fell short at least one year. Fort Worth, for example, improved their rating every year, but their ranking dropped from 138 to 141 from 2024 to 2025 despite their rating improving. I'm having to alter today's question because a couple of you already guessed the answers, so it would be anti-climactic. Only one Top 50 team had been ranked worse than 400 since 2025, the Warsaw Phoenixes. They were 409 and jumped all the way to 145 in 2026, which happens to be the biggest leap since 2025 by current top 50 teams. There has also been only one other Top 100 team that was ranked below 400 since 2025. The bizarre thing about it is that it also happens to be a Phoenix, this time from Bismarck. Weird, huh? (I had to fudge a little on this one by making it 2025 instead of 2024 because Milpitas and Coral Gables were 400+ to finish 2024.)
#49269	05/18/2017 10:07:59 pm		Ignore
MukilteoMike Joined: 08/09/2014 Posts: 3294 Inactive	Here's the new trivia question: Try to do this one without consulting the rankings at all. I think that's fair because it's a top team, but that doesn't mean it's easy. There's only one team that has been in the top 25 every year since 2024, but has not cracked the top ten. Their year end ratings starting with 2024 working to the present have been 25-20-18-18-19-13-19-19. That's what I call consistent. Who is it?
#49270	05/18/2017 11:45:51 pm		Ignore
Favuz Joined: 02/26/2014 Posts: 639 Oxnard Sunsets IV.3	@Newt, i was demoted in 2024, the first time that final rankings are displayed in team history. Possibly we were higher in ranking at the end of 2023 (but the rating was higher than previous year, so probably not), we'll never know. As for the next question, this time i'll answer without checking my guessing first. Should be a constant League II team, so i think State College Bears. Second guessing are Topeka Titans Updated Thursday, May 18 2017 @ 11:46:46 pm PDT
#49272	05/19/2017 3:22:10 am		Ignore
JJNZ Joined: 12/09/2014 Posts: 1581 Yakima Monster III.3	I'd put a vote in for the College Station Athletics - consistently good and having just reached legends they're probably nearly top 10
#49280	05/19/2017 5:08:57 am		Ignore
Squiddcatt Joined: 02/25/2016 Posts: 375 Inactive	I'm saying college station too also maybe topeka. Updated Friday, May 19 2017 @ 5:09:35 am PDT
#49284	05/19/2017 5:28:36 am		Ignore
amalric7 Joined: 01/20/2016 Posts: 2238 New York Lancers V.4	I wouldn't have guessed this one without looking at the rankings, some teams I'm just not familiar with.
#49287	05/19/2017 6:22:33 am		Ignore
MukilteoMike Joined: 08/09/2014 Posts: 3294 Inactive	The above guesses are incorrect. As I said, I think this one's fairly tough mostly because the owner is pretty quiet. I actually can't remember seeing posts by this team or owner and I can't figure out how to search the forums by originator.
#49302	05/19/2017 9:18:53 am		Ignore
Philliesworld Joined: 10/17/2014 Posts: 788 Pierre Jacobins III.3	Hmmm, little to no forum postings. These are several guesses. Echobravo's Souix City Catfish, dcmcrulz's Hunington Catfish, both have posted in the forum already. Dcmcrulz several hundred times. I can remember Echobravo did several times in league forums. Also sorry I probably butchered the spelling of the usernames.
#49317	05/19/2017 12:42:00 pm		Ignore
Squiddcatt Joined: 02/25/2016 Posts: 375 Inactive	Looked it up and I never even heard of them.
#49320	05/19/2017 1:16:07 pm		Ignore
newtman Joined: 11/02/2013 Posts: 3343 Inactive	Without looking at rankings, my guess is they are in the II.2 side of the bracket, as no one on the II.1 side has been THAT consistent (without getting much better or worse) since 2025. The problem is I am woefully under-informed about the other half of the bracket. Point of clarification, can we look at the league pages? Not the team pages, but the leagues to see who is in them? I am going to edit this post after doing that with a more precise answer. Edit: No clue, I think some teams changed cities, and I am guessing the answer to this question is one of them since I really don't recognize several of those teams in II.2. Updated Friday, May 19 2017 @ 1:18:30 pm PDT Edit 2: I cheated and checked, and will say I was half right. I want to add, I likely would have guessed correctly who it was if I had noticed when they changed cities. I will add another hint as to who it is, because people will need it: This team beat my Raleigh Braves out for the II.1 East title in 2026. Updated Friday, May 19 2017 @ 1:23:48 pm PDT
#49323	05/19/2017 2:13:44 pm		Ignore
Philliesworld Joined: 10/17/2014 Posts: 788 Pierre Jacobins III.3	My two previous guesses are both wrong. I checked. I still have no clue who'd it be. And I haven't looked at league pages team pages or ratings. I'm starting to feel clueless.
#49324	05/19/2017 2:43:52 pm		Ignore
MukilteoMike Joined: 08/09/2014 Posts: 3294 Inactive	The team name and location change of last year makes this even more difficult. I at least recognize the old name. The previous team name would be a correct answer, too. And, no, I don't think looking at leagues constitutes "cheating."
#49343	05/19/2017 6:23:27 pm		Ignore
Slug5373 Joined: 12/23/2014 Posts: 376 Inactive	How about the reading red knights? I've never heard of them or their owner, and they are at about the right position of the league page for my guess to have a chance. Edit: darn, I was way off. I looked it up and I may have been able to guess it a few seasons ago with their old name, but that name change really messed me up. Updated Friday, May 19 2017 @ 6:25:45 pm PDT
#49350	05/19/2017 10:29:36 pm		Ignore
MukilteoMike Joined: 08/09/2014 Posts: 3294 Inactive	For those of you who haven't checked it out, the answer is roschinael24's Lauderhill Lions, formerly known as the West New York Yankees and West New York Jets. They made it to Legends in 2027, but were relegated with a 75-85 record. Wow. That's tough. Playing against the best, win 75 and still be demoted. The next trivia question will stick with the consistency theme. What two teams have been in the Top 100 since 2024 without cracking the Top 50? Instead of providing hints, we'll make this a straight guessing game. Check out the current rankings and make your two guesses.
#49351	05/19/2017 11:58:11 pm		Ignore
Favuz Joined: 02/26/2014 Posts: 639 Oxnard Sunsets IV.3	My guess are minneapolis tigers And glendale Marshalls
#49356	05/20/2017 3:29:46 am		Ignore
Slug5373 Joined: 12/23/2014 Posts: 376 Inactive	West applewood knights and the Gastonia cowboys.
#49357	05/20/2017 5:31:16 am		Ignore
Tiger504 Joined: 06/17/2014 Posts: 1314 Kalamazoo Bloody Tigers III.4	Richmond and Coral Gables
#49373	05/20/2017 8:29:50 am		Ignore
Pig_Cola Joined: 09/15/2013 Posts: 1445 Glendale Marshals III.2	Missoula and Cincinnati
#49397	05/20/2017 4:07:26 pm		Ignore
Yuri84 Joined: 10/14/2014 Posts: 639 Apple Valley Raccoons IV.4	Gastonia and Appleton?
#49402	05/20/2017 6:17:35 pm		Ignore
JJNZ Joined: 12/09/2014 Posts: 1581 Yakima Monster III.3	Pembroke Pines and Scranton
#49403	05/20/2017 7:13:44 pm		Ignore
MukilteoMike Joined: 08/09/2014 Posts: 3294 Inactive	Gastonia was, indeed, one of the two. The last eight years for them have been 73-69-71-82-66-60-75-85. The other team, who happens to have my favorite logo, is the Brooklyn Warlocks. They've gone 72-88-95-91-97-61-82-92. I'm pumped to provide the next trivia question. These two teams deserve major kudos. Let's see if you can figure out who they are. What two Top 200 teams have improved more than 300 spots over the last two years and more than 500 spots over the last four years? Yes, you read that right! Since this is another impossible question, I'll give a couple of clues. Neither is in the Top 100. Both are in West divisions; one is legitimately west in location in the contiguous U.S., while the other is barely west of the Mississippi River. (Sorry for those geographically challenged, especially non-Americans. It was the best I could come up with.) And by all means check out the current rankings to help your guesses. Good luck naming the massive climbers!
#49404	05/20/2017 7:27:45 pm		Ignore
Dcmrulz Joined: 02/14/2013 Posts: 588 Inactive	Nothing is Impossible! Especially in Corvallis (Home of Oregon State and the Ravens) and Little Rock (home of the Twisters, Travelers, Razorbacks or Owls)
#49407	05/20/2017 7:46:34 pm		Ignore
Dcmrulz Joined: 02/14/2013 Posts: 588 Inactive	I wanted to be like the oklahoma sooners, in the top 25 forever, but i had a bad season that dropped me to 41, and a good season that had me at 9th (which wasn't my highest, 8th in 2022.)
#49411	05/20/2017 11:23:24 pm		Ignore
Deuce Joined: 06/07/2016 Posts: 279 New London Rippers V.3	I've got one for you. What team promoted with a .500 record? maybe more than one, but i found one anyway.
#49413	05/21/2017 2:31:19 am		Ignore
AssumedPseudonym Joined: 10/26/2016 Posts: 1130 Deerfield Beach Rats V.7	I’ve only got two-and-a-half seasons of experience so far, but after watching Little Rock double-promote after running roughshod over VI.7 in 2030 and then annihilating V.4 in 2031, I would not be at all surprised if Hatleyville has one of the teams to improve rank by 300 in the past two seasons.
#49416	05/21/2017 8:04:47 am		Ignore
Pig_Cola Joined: 09/15/2013 Posts: 1445 Glendale Marshals III.2	Corvallis and Little Rock. Maybe North El Dorado can be counted because of the generic city.
#49458	05/22/2017 4:02:55 pm		Ignore
lostraven Joined: 07/02/2016 Posts: 1269 Corvallis Ravens II.1	I'm definitely proud of taking my team and launching them up to LLIV. Last season was a bit more humbling and a remind that the hard work of getting to III and above involves a much tougher learning curve and a fair amount of luck. Looking forward to it though!
#49634	05/27/2017 5:42:31 am		Ignore
MukilteoMike Joined: 08/09/2014 Posts: 3294 Inactive	I got tied up with other things over the last week. Corvallis and Little Rock were the correct answers. Now to the presentation of the data points I gathered from the last several seasons. I got all the info for the current top 200 teams going back to 2024 season's end. Realizing I was running out of time before this season would start, I looked at every other team from 201-250 and continued to space them out even more until the final couple hundred were 3 out of every 10. The only dramatic changes were at the very top, which really wasn't surprising since those are the biggest numbers. From 2031 to 2024 they went 457, 518, 483, 507, 472, 497, 464 and 542. All over the place. For the rest of the data points, I'm going to simplify it to just 2031-2029-2027-2025 years, so there aren't a massive amount of numbers. Here they are: Team Rank, Ratings for 2031-2029-2027-2025 25, 248-257-266-269 50, 213-220-221-227 75, 191-187-192-195 100, 174-171-166-175 125, 161-157-152-161 150, 146-142-144-141 200, 128-124-124-123 250, 114-108-112-109 300, 98- 96- 96- 95 350, 88- 87- 87- 84 400, 76- 78- 77- 77 450, 68- 68- 69- 68 500, 60- 61- 59- 60 550, 54- 54- 53- 54 600, 47- 48- 47- 45 650, 40- 41- 41- 40 700, 37- 38- 31- 33 750, 15- 16- 18- 22
#49640	05/27/2017 1:53:30 pm		Ignore
Tiger504 Joined: 06/17/2014 Posts: 1314 Kalamazoo Bloody Tigers III.4	This appears to give credence to the theory of parity. Top teams ratings are consistently falling a bit.
#49642	05/27/2017 5:19:13 pm		Ignore
newtman Joined: 11/02/2013 Posts: 3343 Inactive	Thanks for posting that Mike! I agree Tiger, but interestingly the 400-650 teams stay almost the same seeming to mean that while the top half appear to be getting more compact overall, the bottom half are not really making up the ground. On the other hand the 750 team (meaning the bottom 25 or so) appear to actually be getting steadily worse, which is impressive considering what Bilbo_Shaggins did to a team right around that time. Pretty interesting trends imo. Thanks again Mike for carrying out the project that I was too lazy to do (though I also spent 22 of the last 72 hours driving and most of the rest busy).

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