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mjreichard
Joined: 10/22/2016
Posts: 143

New Orleans Knights
IV.5

Broken Bat Baseball
Did something change with the AI and how the game is played with the new 2035 season? I am at a loss here.

Every batter on my roster is hitting close to .150 LESS than they were the first time through 2035.

Every pitcher has an ERA close to 1.00 HIGHER than the first time through 2035.

I have only one player change...a different catcher...and the new one is my only good hitter this season...so that can't be making all the difference.

No changes to park...no changes to lineup...nothing...all the same guys and the entire team now can't pitch or hit!

I cannot explain how frustrating this is...it is like the algorithms, AI or whatever is completely new and different!
Deuce
Joined: 06/07/2016
Posts: 279

New London Rippers
V.3

Broken Bat Baseball
Other teams had a chance to improve and a certain level of randomness. Be patient! You'll come around.
Cactusguy21
Joined: 07/25/2017
Posts: 815

Presque Isle Vikings
III.4

Broken Bat Baseball
It’s the same for me. Almost all of my players are performing way off their norms. Of course, this is actually quite good for me, my pitching staff has been atrocious in year's past. I would not be surprised if the AI were different.
newtman
Joined: 11/02/2013
Posts: 3343

Inactive

Broken Bat Baseball
RNG. Sometimes it is loved, sometimes it is hated. Just have to roll with it.
mjreichard
Joined: 10/22/2016
Posts: 143

New Orleans Knights
IV.5

Broken Bat Baseball
It is like all of the moves made for season are worthless and meaningless. I am almost at the point where I don't want to check everyday. This used to be fun, but the time and energy I put into it isn't worth it any more.

There has to have been some drastic change for my same roster to go from 22-9 after 31 games last time to 11-20 this time.
Seca
Joined: 05/05/2014
Posts: 5201

Waterloo Dinosaurs
Legends

Broken Bat Baseball
If your record was that good in v1 you have every reason to believe your team will turn it around. No need for a blow up. Roster variety or forum variety.

Lots of random in baseball. Lots of random in Brokenbat too. 160 game seasons mean most of it will work itself out.
wickersty
Joined: 05/11/2017
Posts: 1002

Deadwood Perambulators
II.1

Broken Bat Baseball
What I don’t understand is why some of you guys moan and cry and endlessly shout about how you can’t stand playing anymore and threaten to quit and walk away, but are still here day after day. Just quit. Or stop acting like a child, and play the game and have fun with it, whether you’re losing or winning.
Geech
Joined: 01/12/2014
Posts: 545

San Luis Obispo Turtles
IV.8

Broken Bat Baseball
I wonder if New Orleans benefited from some good look in Alternate History 2035 and bad luck in the current timeline. That might explain why the disparity feels so large now.

I noticed you just promoted from level 6 to level 5, and there's always a big drop in player performance with that promotion.
mjreichard
Joined: 10/22/2016
Posts: 143

New Orleans Knights
IV.5

Broken Bat Baseball
Yeah,that jump is always big. In the "alternate reality 2035" we did a much better job at the jump...this reality, not so much. :-)
peacockpenguin
Joined: 11/18/2014
Posts: 102

Inactive

Broken Bat Baseball
My ace who was hovering around a 2.5ERA is currently sitting at a cool 5. And my team which was batting for promotion is currently sitting in a regulation spot. It happens. I trust my guys to turn it around.
Cactusguy21
Joined: 07/25/2017
Posts: 815

Presque Isle Vikings
III.4

Broken Bat Baseball
This season continues to be weird. Superstars performing like scrubs and benchwarmers performing like MVP candidates.

It's not just different from the alternate reality, these stats are differing greatly from career norms.
mjreichard
Joined: 10/22/2016
Posts: 143

New Orleans Knights
IV.5

Broken Bat Baseball
I have to agree...I have multiple guys that are way off of their career norms.
Dan6176
Joined: 04/30/2016
Posts: 254

Inactive

Broken Bat Baseball
I don't think this is unique to this season. Check out the homerun totals from this guy [url]http://http://brokenbat.org/player/90965[/url]. I think he corked his bat for one season. Can you guess which one?
shikago
Joined: 11/29/2011
Posts: 229

Inactive

Broken Bat Baseball
Went from being 100% safe from relegation & battling for 1st place (not to mention still alive in the cup) to being terrible and in last place. Ok, maybe that can all be explained away satisfactorily.

But what's far more jarring/disconcerting to me is the drastic difference in so many other teams' performance. Those with identical lineups to 2035 take 1. We're basically at the all-star break now. So small sample size can't be used as an excuse.

When "Team X" can be garbage in take 1 and world-beaters in take 2 (or vice versa) it makes everything seem incredibly pointless. The difference in player performance is staggering too. Players who were fairly consistent & mediocre over their entire careers suddenly turning into Babe Ruth or Cy Young. And former stars turning into complete bums.

Any past success now feels mostly unearned. I now feel like I'd previously been operating almost under a just-world fallacy type thing. Not demanding anything change or threatening to quit or anything. Just throwing this out there.
Rock777
Joined: 09/21/2014
Posts: 9602

Haverhill Halflings
III.1

Broken Bat Baseball
Baseball is fickle. Doesn't take much to turn a 2-1 win into a 2-3 loss. A very small amount of random occurrence will see vastly different outcomes. My team was in 1st place last go around, and now I am battling against relegation. But really those two things aren't as far apart as folks think. A lot comes down to luck. You put your best squad on the field, and with some luck you will win. The better the team, the better your odds, but nothing is guaranteed. Otherwise you would see more teams winning 162 games in the majors. Sometimes the best team just doesn't win.






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Geech
Joined: 01/12/2014
Posts: 545

San Luis Obispo Turtles
IV.8

Broken Bat Baseball
If random number generation was really the most important factor, I would expect team rankings to be more volatile. The fact that teams can reach Legends League or over high level leagues and stay there season after season is pretty good evidence that there's plenty of signal coming through the noise. It doesn't mean randomness can't have a big influence, but I think it's pretty clear that there's plenty of room for owner skill.

I'm sorry that a few owners are still having good seasons replaced with extreme collapses. However with 756 teams spread over 63 leagues, it's not preposterous to see some unusual luck variance. (Although I note that Green Bay also just promoted this season. . .) I don't think it proves that randomness dominates the game.
shikago
Joined: 11/29/2011
Posts: 229

Inactive

Broken Bat Baseball
@Rock - I get what you're saying. I guess to me the impact of luck just seemed way beyond what I expected it to be (in teams that made 0 lineup changes).

@Geech - That's a fair point. Obviously there's things you can do to stack the deck in your favor.

Let's say that all teams started from scratch tomorrow. Call it "Reset 1". Would all the current top teams immediately rocket up to the top and stay there in Reset 1? Now imagine that after 15 seasons we needed to do another complete game reset for some reason. Let's call that "Reset 2". Would all the top teams from Reset 1 go on to dominate Reset 2?

(FWIW, I started with a zero prestige team & went all the way up to the legends league, finishing 2nd or higher 5 straight seasons before taking a long hiatus. Was that due to me being a particularly skillful team owner? Or more a lucky one?)
Rock777
Joined: 09/21/2014
Posts: 9602

Haverhill Halflings
III.1

Broken Bat Baseball
Its a little of both. Draft picks and claims have a lot of luck involved. We can stack the deck by being smart about who you claim/release, or which scouting reports you draft, but there is still a lot of luck. Same with games. You can stack the deck by putting in a good lineup and having good management settings, but at the end of the day you need a little luck to win. If anything I think the reset highlights that. But also consider that 6 games out of the lead really means you are both in last place and still contending. Maybe your team didn't change, but others no doubt did. Some people took advantage of the reset to clean house early of guys who failed them the first time around. Really at this point in the season, I doubt many teams have taken the exact same path as last year (especially when you factor in injuries).
Cactusguy21
Joined: 07/25/2017
Posts: 815

Presque Isle Vikings
III.4

Broken Bat Baseball
Okay, let's actually sit down and go through my team, and see how much it's deviating from the career norms.

So first, the guys that are performing basically on their career norms:
LF Wyatt
3B Gonzalez (who had a breakout in the alternate reality)
SP Reagan (who had a collapse in the alternate reality)
C Schmidt

Then, these guys are performing only slightly off norms, probably just randomness at work
DH Roldan
2B Duran
CF Sheppard
RP On (On is the only short/middle reliever I'm gonna count, since he gets so many innings.)
SP Baughman

Then, the guys that are a little bit crazy:

RF Madrid (even though his stats are basically the same, his splits have reversed. He went from the best vsLHP hitter in the league to one of the worst, and went from an average vsRHP hitter to a great one)
SP Roque (big slump)
SS Toca (best year of his career by far)


Then, the twilight zone:

1B Jeong: He was the definition of average his whole career, then in the alternate season was so bad he got benched for a 77 SI rookie. Now he is an MVP candidate.

SP/RP Cordero: Absolute garbage this year.


So in reality, it's not actually too different. It just feels different.
Rock777
Joined: 09/21/2014
Posts: 9602

Haverhill Halflings
III.1

Broken Bat Baseball
Actually looks like you might have come out a bit ahead if I'm counting the +/- right.
Cactusguy21
Joined: 07/25/2017
Posts: 815

Presque Isle Vikings
III.4

Broken Bat Baseball
No yeah, this season has been much better for me. Just weirder.


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