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#58933	05/27/2018 1:35:50 pm	Apr 14th, 2036
admin Joined: 01/27/2010 Posts: 4985 Administrator	What do people think of wOBA (weighted on-base average)? Steve
#58935	05/27/2018 2:37:00 pm	Apr 15th, 2036	Ignore
Jason2327 Joined: 09/02/2014 Posts: 720 Abilene Patriots III.2	I read the explanation over and the calculation and I really don’t see a use. You can look at a players numbers and see what his overall value his imo
#58950	05/27/2018 7:35:51 pm	Apr 18th, 2036	Ignore
Cactusguy21 Joined: 07/25/2017 Posts: 815 Presque Isle Vikings III.4	If you are suggesting adding it to the game, then I say 100% HELL YEAH! wOBA is really useful and I personally think it turns OPS into a useless relic. Of course, wOBA very closely resembles 2OPS (2OBP+SLG), and adding 2OPS is probably easier.
#58955	05/27/2018 10:50:55 pm	Apr 18th, 2036	Ignore
JJNZ Joined: 12/09/2014 Posts: 1580 Yakima Monster III.3	I've always thought some sort of WAR calculation would be huge for BB and I guess this is a good way of starting that process if that's whats proposed. Looking at how its measured it does seem odd to place more wait on HBP than BB, and reaching on errors worth more than a single. Regardless - YES PLEASE!
#58956	05/28/2018 12:30:44 am	Apr 18th, 2036	Ignore
toddcates Joined: 08/02/2015 Posts: 81 Baytown Bombers VI.20	I read the explanation over and the calculation and I really don’t see a use. You can look at a players numbers and see what his overall value his imo +1 to this statement. We have enough stats. Updated Monday, May 28 2018 @ 12:31:14 am PDT
#58958	05/28/2018 5:14:34 am	Apr 18th, 2036	Ignore
tamale Joined: 02/19/2018 Posts: 357 Concord Jets Legends	wOBA/wRC is my favourite offensive stat so it'd be great to see it added. I think the ROE category also includes errors where the batter reaches 2B, 3B or home, so wOBA weights this more than singles. As for HBP vs BB, I think HBP is weighted higher because they're almost always an accident, whereas the pitcher has some control over BB and are more likely to allow them when there's a smaller chance they'll lead to runs, e.g. pitching around a dangerous batter.
#58985	05/29/2018 6:44:41 am	Apr 21st, 2036	Ignore
Seca Joined: 05/05/2014 Posts: 5201 Waterloo Dinosaurs Legends	We have enough stats. That whooshing sound you just heard was a thousand sabermetricians gasping in horror. I've always thought some sort of WAR calculation would be huge for BB and I guess this is a good way of starting that process if that's whats proposed. WAR is next to impossible to do here. I tried to do it in Excel once. I failed. I tried again. I failed. The problem is a lack of defense stats. Makes your end result feel made-up. (Not that WAR isn't made-up). wOBA/wRC is my favourite offensive stat so it'd be great to see it added. I prefer wRC to wOBA, but park factor is a problem? Stadia are bulldozed with a click of a button during the off-season. (Promotion/demotion might also affect it). So a historical park factor may not be accurate. A dynamic park factor (current season) would have a ton of noise in it. Park factor would be fun to see at the end of a season. Have thought about calculating it myself, but too lazy. Thumbs up for wOBA!
#59002	05/29/2018 4:42:57 pm	Apr 24th, 2036	Ignore
Rock777 Joined: 09/21/2014 Posts: 9603 Haverhill Halflings III.1	I don't really get it. Why is HBP more valuable than BB? BB takes more skill (Discipline). Same with reaching on an error versus hitting a single. Again more value is assigned to the less impressive action (reaching on an error)... I want a guy who can get on base via his own skill, not from some hidden luck trait. It might offer some value, but seems like kind of a stupid weighting. I'd probably just stick to OPS myself.
#59003	05/29/2018 4:58:44 pm	Apr 24th, 2036	Ignore
Jason2327 Joined: 09/02/2014 Posts: 720 Abilene Patriots III.2	I don’t think I’ve ever said this,but I agree with Rock
#59007	05/29/2018 5:35:41 pm	Apr 25th, 2036	Ignore
ChillFunkEz3000 Joined: 03/13/2017 Posts: 170 High Point Shaolin Stars III.4	What do people think of wOBA (weighted on-base average)? Wouldn't be my first choice of stat to add to the game, but nothing against it since it would still improve the game statistically wise. Personally would prefer theExtrapolated Runs (XR) stat.
#59009	05/29/2018 7:57:20 pm	Apr 25th, 2036	Ignore
Skoormit Joined: 01/21/2018 Posts: 17 Inactive	The weights used in wOBA reflect the relative value of offensive events in the run environment of MLB. It won't be a useful stat here. Run environments vary too much from park to park and league to league.
#59015	05/30/2018 4:37:03 am	Apr 25th, 2036	Ignore
tamale Joined: 02/19/2018 Posts: 357 Concord Jets Legends	I agree that there isn't much point trying to calculate game-specific park factors or weightings. But if added I'd definitely still use a generic version of wOBA, even if it isn't perfect.
#87337	03/20/2022 1:12:03 pm	May 10th, 2054
admin Joined: 01/27/2010 Posts: 4985 Administrator	I added wOBA to the pop-up/tool tip for batting average. I'm using the formula from fan graphs which has weighting based on a longer period of time than a given single MLB year. Steve Updated Sunday, March 20 2022 @ 1:16:01 pm PDT
#91454	05/07/2023 12:36:50 am	Aug 25th, 2059	Ignore
g10rsh Joined: 02/05/2016 Posts: 170 Champaign Suzumebachi VI.2	sorry to necro the thread, but would it be possible to either include WOBA in the statistics page in general, or if that would make people too annoyed for some reason a button at the bottom of the screen to get an expanded stats page that would show the stats that can only be seen when highlighting a value as their own columns(home/away OBP SLG etc). and yea I agree that the hit by pitch being rated higher than an a normal walk is weird, but hit by pitch is very rare compared to normal walks, and the values for each are calculated by just saying, given an inning where these events happened, how valuable (likely to score and how much) was that event without taking into account sequencing. when someone gets hit by a pitch its either on purpose and that pitcher gets removed for some other pitcher who apparently is of a lower quality, or the pitcher lost control and apparently that means that they will be more likely to allow scoring (over the sample sizes used to calculate WOBA on a year by year basis). also some sneaky players "lean in" to pitches to get a few more walks so skill isnt entirely out of the question (Jon Jay or Rizzo). on the opposit side, with a batter on second players often get walked to first to allow for an inning ending double play. no statistic is perfect, but I like to look over all of them and as long as you know its flaws you can take that into account. its unlikely anyone is gonna get hit by pitch enough to have a high woba here, though I would love to see if anyone here has any evidence of the game log mentioning a bench clearing brawl XD
#91462	05/07/2023 2:56:06 pm	Aug 26th, 2059	Ignore
Rock777 Joined: 09/21/2014 Posts: 9603 Haverhill Halflings III.1	Its there are a hover of AVG (along with far more valuable stats). Although I think it wouldn't be a bad thing to capture all of these hover stats in some sort of stats2 page.
#91466	05/07/2023 7:22:22 pm	Aug 29th, 2059	Ignore
ESac Joined: 09/05/2016 Posts: 340 San Antonio Defenders V.14	As a sucker for advanced stats, I would definitely be in favor of implementing any hover stats onto their own page. On a completely separate note, if anyone suggests that, I will most likely give it a +1.
#91467	05/08/2023 5:32:23 am	Aug 29th, 2059	Ignore
lmartins6746 Joined: 06/01/2021 Posts: 61 Asheville Aces IV.5	as someone who plays almost exclusively on mobile, I'm all for having the hover stats on a stats page. Even just some buttons for vs RH/LH splits would be great.
#91469	05/09/2023 5:47:16 am	Aug 31st, 2059	Ignore
lostraven Joined: 07/02/2016 Posts: 1269 Corvallis Ravens II.1	Edit: Nevermind. My comment is moot. Updated Tuesday, May 9 2023 @ 5:49:00 am PDT

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