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#8553	07/01/2014 9:00:28 am		Ignore
homerunhero Joined: 06/28/2014 Posts: 2 Inactive	http://brokenbat.org/player/80813 Where is he from?
#8554	07/01/2014 9:25:54 am
admin Joined: 01/27/2010 Posts: 5035 Administrator	Green? Looks like he's from Phoenix, Arizona. Steve
#8563	07/01/2014 9:21:21 pm		Ignore
dwindacatcher Joined: 04/03/2014 Posts: 633 Inactive	They are amungst is!
#8576	07/02/2014 10:13:05 am		Ignore
kfwin10 Joined: 05/07/2014 Posts: 22 Inactive	Doesn't his skin look green to you?
#8577	07/02/2014 11:21:35 am
admin Joined: 01/27/2010 Posts: 5035 Administrator	He is intended to have Mediterranean or olive skin. I think that’s a decent tone for that...and I wouldn’t call him green (unless he looks totally different on your computer). Steve
#8578	07/02/2014 12:37:36 pm		Ignore
Haselrig Joined: 04/13/2014 Posts: 2812 Inactive	Looks fine to me.
#9611	08/25/2014 11:24:45 am		Ignore
TheBaconator Joined: 08/03/2014 Posts: 70 Inactive	http://brokenbat.org/player/86997 Doesn't he look gray?
#9614	08/25/2014 1:57:43 pm
admin Joined: 01/27/2010 Posts: 5035 Administrator	His ( Ichiro Kobayashi ) shirt is gray. His skin is "Tahuna Sands" according to the following site: Colblindor Steve Updated Tuesday, August 26 2014 @ 5:23:05 pm PDT
#9624	08/25/2014 6:55:14 pm		Ignore
the gizmo Joined: 02/07/2013 Posts: 574 Inactive	The Greys New team name for Roswell
#9632	08/26/2014 1:26:20 am		Ignore
Holmes Joined: 11/07/2013 Posts: 1175 Inactive	It probably really depends on the device. On my mobile, Asians and Italians look more like Martians, as well...
#9637	08/26/2014 5:31:23 pm
admin Joined: 01/27/2010 Posts: 5035 Administrator	Okay...what kind of device?? Looks okay on my low-end Motorola phone. I can only really design based on the HTML color chart ( example or example 2 ) and if devices render the color differently/inaccurately that's just the way it is. Steve
#10606	10/07/2014 3:44:05 pm		Ignore
Rock777 Joined: 09/21/2014 Posts: 9821 Haverhill Halflings Legends	Almost every device is slightly different, quality doesn't matter. If you look at two high end monitors you will see color differences. If the guy looks green to you, you probably have way too much green in your display. You could buy a screen calibrator for ~$200, or you could use your devices calibration (built into Windows), or you could just play with the knobs until stuff looks better. Either way, if the guy looks green, then everything you have been looking at is greener than it should be.
#11556	11/06/2014 1:55:20 pm		Ignore
PirataCuenca Joined: 10/26/2014 Posts: 28 Inactive	I am Mediterranean and I am not green But I don't think this guy to be green
#11728	11/11/2014 6:11:05 am		Ignore
Holmes Joined: 11/07/2013 Posts: 1175 Inactive	I know I'm dragging this back up after some time, and the exercise I went through is kind of crazy, but I happened to have a moment, and I actually found this kind of interesting beyond the scope of the game... And, yes, I know these are cartoon characters, but still, the skin colors should only be off by so much. So the idea of the Caseys some of us stumbled over was to show players with olive/mediterranean skin. Since we don't have the expression olive skin in German, I wasn't totally sure what that means and googled celebrities known for their olive skin. The first ones I recognized (and hoped you would too) were Jessica Alba, Kim Kardashian, Nicole Scherzinger, Salma Hayek and Eva Mendes. Apparently nobody cares about men's skin tones... So I took the first ten pictures that weren't b/w or totally discolored in google image search for each of them, picked the color in RGB numbers from the google previews pics and calculated an average skin tone for each of the ladies. If possible, I sampled the colors not from the face, but from neck, arms or cleavage, because there should be a little less make up there. To further exclude the effects of make up, I added five sportsmen who should have mediterranean skin tones. From the last Italian World Baseball Classic team, I took three players who had Italian names, looked fairly Italian and had a sufficient number of easily identifiable photos in google image search: Anthony Rizzo, Alex Liddi and Luca Panerati. Then I added two mediterranean soccer players I tend to associate with greenish skin tones: the Turked German Mesut Özil and Portuguese Christiano Ronaldo. To my surprise, the sportsmen's skin tones (mostly from action photos in games) were quite similar to the ones from the actresses, so make up actually doesn't seem to play that much of a role. For comparison, I added some Italian and Asian BrokenBat players, and as you can easily see - they are green. The actual olive skin tones I found range from 31.6% (Eva Mendes) to 32.6% green (Salma Hayek). The BB players are between 35.9% and 37.7% green. Steve, if you're interested, I have saved a table with the actual RGB values. I understand that skin tones are one of the few factors of variation Casey has, and we'd probably like more variation (in fact I'm all for sideburns, tattoos and long hair), but I really think many of our Italians and Asians are really off the scale.
#11729	11/11/2014 6:17:27 am		Ignore
Haselrig Joined: 04/13/2014 Posts: 2812 Inactive	Wow. Hat's off for the investigative journalism Holmes. That's far more interesting than I would have thought
#11738	11/11/2014 9:34:25 am
admin Joined: 01/27/2010 Posts: 5035 Administrator	Yeah, I’d love to see the data you compiled. There are actually three different Olive/Mediterranean skin tones. I’ve tried very hard to make the colors look good and match the appropriate skins tones – but each device renders colors a little differently. The current colors are 0xc5b778 (light), 0xbdb070 (middle), 0xb6aa69 (dark) in the RGB color codes. I’m not sure exactly how that compares to your percentages. It seems like the middle tone has a green value of 0xb0 which is 176/255, but then again the colors are mixed to also make white and black, so I’m not sure exactly what that means. BTW, Kim Kardashian is a reality TV star…she’s not an actress, it unscripted reality unfolding on the television! Steve
#11755	11/12/2014 3:04:14 am		Ignore
Holmes Joined: 11/07/2013 Posts: 1175 Inactive	Steve, I tried to include a table with the actual RGB values in a mail. Hope you can reasonably transfer that to a spreadsheet again. Re Kardashian, yes, I wasn't really sure what to call these ladies as a group. Some sing, all model, some do some, uh, acting... I just couldn't get myself to writing "artists".
#11757	11/12/2014 3:58:11 am		Ignore
Holmes Joined: 11/07/2013 Posts: 1175 Inactive	I added some Asians to the analysis. Not surprisingly, they are not that far off. And, yes, I know, that all depends on lighting conditions etc., but this isn't meant to be a scientific analysis of actual skin tones. I want to know what these players look like in the pictures we see and recognize them in most frequently.
#11812	11/13/2014 9:54:10 pm
admin Joined: 01/27/2010 Posts: 5035 Administrator	Yeah, sampling skin color from a image is very hit and miss. Lighting can change all the color components dramatically. I tried to start with the Von Luschan's chromatic scale. And then I just expanded to skin tone charts that I found on the web (mostly on sites selling cosmetics). Steve
#11813	11/13/2014 10:08:27 pm
admin Joined: 01/27/2010 Posts: 5035 Administrator	Holmes....thanks for all the hard work. Just two comments on your skin tones: 1. It seems like the Olive and Asian skin tones are almost indistinguible. 2. Do you think there are three distinct shades of Olive and Asian skin tones? It seems like they are all fairly similar. And a question....from the RGB values, how do you compute the percentage? Thanks again, Steve
#11893	11/15/2014 5:06:23 pm		Ignore
Rock777 Joined: 09/21/2014 Posts: 9821 Haverhill Halflings Legends	Holmes, did you calibrated your screen before doing this research? None of those pictures look green on my screen (which is calibrated). Are those boxes supposed to be skin tone? They are all different variations of pink/brown on my display. If those boxes are supposed to be skin tone, in generally they look way off on my screen. Luca almost looks purple. One thing to watch out for, skin tone isn't homogeneous, skin tone will appear different in different places on the face (actual differences + lighting). Best if you just grabbed from a consistent location on the face, with similar lighting conditions and angle of photography. You can pick up a decent calibrator for about $75 on Amazon. Updated Saturday, November 15 2014 @ 5:14:09 pm PST
#11897	11/15/2014 7:09:13 pm		Ignore
Holmes Joined: 11/07/2013 Posts: 1175 Inactive	@Steve: No problem, I just found the topic interesting. 1. That wasn't really a surprise to me. I never understood why Asians are associated with yellowish skin. 2. I think the differences generally are smaller than one might think. Why should there be three shades? Because I have three rows? That's just the showbiz ladies, Mediterranean and Asian sportsmen. The percentages I mentioned? Just a simple fraction of the numbers. If the RGB-values are, for instance, 200/150/100, I calculated G% as 150/(200+150+100)=33.33% I sent you the complete table by mail. @Rock: There's no need to calibrate a screen just to compare the RGB values of one picture to another. The boxes ARE the actual average skin tones of the first 10 pictures of these people in google picture search. If your screen is calibrated so the skin tones in the boxes look brown to you, so would the vast majority of the pictures of Jessica Alba, Kim K etc. on the web. If that is the result of your calibrator, then thank you, I'm not interested in the device. And I'm well aware the skin tone appears different in different parts of the pictures - I just sampled 150 pictures by hand... As I already pointed out, with the women, I had to avoid the face because of make up, but there was usually plenty of other uncovered skin. With the sportsmen, it's usually the face, unless they were wearing caps that put the whole face in shadow - then I usually picked the color from the arm, making sure it wasn't skewed by a tatto or so. I picked areas with fairly normal lighting, avoiding areas that were reflecting or in shadow. Since the lighting is not identical, that rules out always using the same location on the face. This is not science, and it's not aesthetics, either. It's just comparing the actual color codes of photographs on the web with the actual color codes of the cartoons on our site, and there's a systematic difference. The point of the whole exercise is, real skin tones of basically everybody who's not of African descent are some lighter or darker mix of pink and brown. People are neither green nor yellow.
#11901	11/15/2014 8:14:39 pm		Ignore
Rock777 Joined: 09/21/2014 Posts: 9821 Haverhill Halflings Legends	I don't think you understand what RGB is. RGB is just the Red, Blue, and Green values of a color. Every screen is going to display the same RGB differently. If you haven't calibrated your screen, then you could see the same (RGB) color drastically differently. A calibrated screen will be the closest to real world color. Another issue with browser games is that different browsers display RGB colors differently as well. So its important to know what browser (and version) you used. There aren't a lot of browser safe skin tones. The colors displayed in game look fine on my calibrated screen. If they are modified to look better on Holme's screen, they will look worse on other people's screens. Holmes - I suspect you need to dial down the green tint on your display. Updated Saturday, November 15 2014 @ 8:23:39 pm PST
#11913	11/16/2014 7:18:08 am		Ignore
Holmes Joined: 11/07/2013 Posts: 1175 Inactive	I know very well what RGB means. My post is not about my subjective impression, it is about the skin tones in our cartoons being systematically different from real skin tones of real people in the actual data of the real pictures that we all normally look at. That has nothing whatsoever to do with my display.
#11914	11/16/2014 7:27:58 am		Ignore
Rock777 Joined: 09/21/2014 Posts: 9821 Haverhill Halflings Legends	All of the boxes you listed look quite tanned. Well tanned celebrities might not give you the best representation of RGB. If you are looking for pure RGB (again, I don't think this is the best way to do it since RGB has little to do with perceived color on the web and color profiles in images can highly skew RGB), you would be better off looking for family photos and such.
#11927	11/17/2014 1:08:35 am		Ignore
Holmes Joined: 11/07/2013 Posts: 1175 Inactive	Row 2 are photos of baseball and soccer players, a mix of official portraits and shots on the field. As they spend most of the day outside, I would expect baseball players to be tanned. Like Casey.
#13655	01/19/2015 2:14:56 pm		Ignore
slugfest2015 Joined: 12/21/2014 Posts: 168 Inactive	There's a sort of bug on player pages, sometimes when I choose a player on any team or retired or noteam, the image sometimes loads the wrong skin tone, uniform, direction facing, facial hair and/or position(batting, pitching,manager) I have to reload the page (sometimes several times to make sure its correct)
#13666	01/19/2015 3:40:21 pm
admin Joined: 01/27/2010 Posts: 5035 Administrator	slugfest2015 - I have seen this issue on occasion too. I have tried to fix it, without success. I think it's a caching issue, but every thing I've done to force a re-load everytime hasn't worked. Still working on it though... Thanks, Steve

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