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#11812	11/13/2014 9:54:10 pm
admin Joined: 01/27/2010 Posts: 5035 Administrator	Yeah, sampling skin color from a image is very hit and miss. Lighting can change all the color components dramatically. I tried to start with the Von Luschan's chromatic scale. And then I just expanded to skin tone charts that I found on the web (mostly on sites selling cosmetics). Steve

#11813	11/13/2014 10:08:27 pm
admin Joined: 01/27/2010 Posts: 5035 Administrator	Holmes....thanks for all the hard work. Just two comments on your skin tones: 1. It seems like the Olive and Asian skin tones are almost indistinguible. 2. Do you think there are three distinct shades of Olive and Asian skin tones? It seems like they are all fairly similar. And a question....from the RGB values, how do you compute the percentage? Thanks again, Steve

#11893	11/15/2014 5:06:23 pm
Rock777 Joined: 09/21/2014 Posts: 9821 Haverhill Halflings Legends	Holmes, did you calibrated your screen before doing this research? None of those pictures look green on my screen (which is calibrated). Are those boxes supposed to be skin tone? They are all different variations of pink/brown on my display. If those boxes are supposed to be skin tone, in generally they look way off on my screen. Luca almost looks purple. One thing to watch out for, skin tone isn't homogeneous, skin tone will appear different in different places on the face (actual differences + lighting). Best if you just grabbed from a consistent location on the face, with similar lighting conditions and angle of photography. You can pick up a decent calibrator for about $75 on Amazon. Updated Saturday, November 15 2014 @ 5:14:09 pm PST

#11897	11/15/2014 7:09:13 pm
Holmes Joined: 11/07/2013 Posts: 1175 Inactive	@Steve: No problem, I just found the topic interesting. 1. That wasn't really a surprise to me. I never understood why Asians are associated with yellowish skin. 2. I think the differences generally are smaller than one might think. Why should there be three shades? Because I have three rows? That's just the showbiz ladies, Mediterranean and Asian sportsmen. The percentages I mentioned? Just a simple fraction of the numbers. If the RGB-values are, for instance, 200/150/100, I calculated G% as 150/(200+150+100)=33.33% I sent you the complete table by mail. @Rock: There's no need to calibrate a screen just to compare the RGB values of one picture to another. The boxes ARE the actual average skin tones of the first 10 pictures of these people in google picture search. If your screen is calibrated so the skin tones in the boxes look brown to you, so would the vast majority of the pictures of Jessica Alba, Kim K etc. on the web. If that is the result of your calibrator, then thank you, I'm not interested in the device. And I'm well aware the skin tone appears different in different parts of the pictures - I just sampled 150 pictures by hand... As I already pointed out, with the women, I had to avoid the face because of make up, but there was usually plenty of other uncovered skin. With the sportsmen, it's usually the face, unless they were wearing caps that put the whole face in shadow - then I usually picked the color from the arm, making sure it wasn't skewed by a tatto or so. I picked areas with fairly normal lighting, avoiding areas that were reflecting or in shadow. Since the lighting is not identical, that rules out always using the same location on the face. This is not science, and it's not aesthetics, either. It's just comparing the actual color codes of photographs on the web with the actual color codes of the cartoons on our site, and there's a systematic difference. The point of the whole exercise is, real skin tones of basically everybody who's not of African descent are some lighter or darker mix of pink and brown. People are neither green nor yellow.

#11901	11/15/2014 8:14:39 pm
Rock777 Joined: 09/21/2014 Posts: 9821 Haverhill Halflings Legends	I don't think you understand what RGB is. RGB is just the Red, Blue, and Green values of a color. Every screen is going to display the same RGB differently. If you haven't calibrated your screen, then you could see the same (RGB) color drastically differently. A calibrated screen will be the closest to real world color. Another issue with browser games is that different browsers display RGB colors differently as well. So its important to know what browser (and version) you used. There aren't a lot of browser safe skin tones. The colors displayed in game look fine on my calibrated screen. If they are modified to look better on Holme's screen, they will look worse on other people's screens. Holmes - I suspect you need to dial down the green tint on your display. Updated Saturday, November 15 2014 @ 8:23:39 pm PST

#11913	11/16/2014 7:18:08 am
Holmes Joined: 11/07/2013 Posts: 1175 Inactive	I know very well what RGB means. My post is not about my subjective impression, it is about the skin tones in our cartoons being systematically different from real skin tones of real people in the actual data of the real pictures that we all normally look at. That has nothing whatsoever to do with my display.

#11914	11/16/2014 7:27:58 am
Rock777 Joined: 09/21/2014 Posts: 9821 Haverhill Halflings Legends	All of the boxes you listed look quite tanned. Well tanned celebrities might not give you the best representation of RGB. If you are looking for pure RGB (again, I don't think this is the best way to do it since RGB has little to do with perceived color on the web and color profiles in images can highly skew RGB), you would be better off looking for family photos and such.

#11927	11/17/2014 1:08:35 am
Holmes Joined: 11/07/2013 Posts: 1175 Inactive	Row 2 are photos of baseball and soccer players, a mix of official portraits and shots on the field. As they spend most of the day outside, I would expect baseball players to be tanned. Like Casey.

#13655	01/19/2015 2:14:56 pm
slugfest2015 Joined: 12/21/2014 Posts: 168 Inactive	There's a sort of bug on player pages, sometimes when I choose a player on any team or retired or noteam, the image sometimes loads the wrong skin tone, uniform, direction facing, facial hair and/or position(batting, pitching,manager) I have to reload the page (sometimes several times to make sure its correct)

#13666	01/19/2015 3:40:21 pm
admin Joined: 01/27/2010 Posts: 5035 Administrator	slugfest2015 - I have seen this issue on occasion too. I have tried to fix it, without success. I think it's a caching issue, but every thing I've done to force a re-load everytime hasn't worked. Still working on it though... Thanks, Steve