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#18615	05/04/2015 6:36:52 pm
Bilbo Shaggins Joined: 01/01/2015 Posts: 59 Inactive	I've seen a post on here before where it gives the range of skill for the different scouting reports, like a prolific slugger will have 18-20 blocks on power. Where do i find this list? thanks

#18627	05/04/2015 8:05:55 pm
Rock777 Joined: 09/21/2014 Posts: 9603 Haverhill Halflings III.1	I don't think there is one, but this is the info I have compiled: Velocity 18 - 20 -> fastball unhittable 16 - 18 -> strike out pitcher 14 - 16 -> major league fastball 12 - 14 -> have some pop 0 - 12 ---> nothing Movement 17 - 20 -> curveball/slider exceptional 14 - 17 -> major league curveball/slider 0 - 14 ---> nothing Stamina 17 - 20 -> throw all day 14 - 17 -> starting pitcher 9 - 14 ---> nothing 0 - 8 -- --> few innings Control 10 - 20 -> nothing 8 - 10 ---> Control below average 6 - 8 -- --> Lacking 0 - 6 -- --> Wild Hitting 18 - 20 -> great hitter 15 - 17 -> very good hitter 13 - 15 -> good hitter 7 - 13 ---> nothing 0 - 7 -- --> never be a decent hitter Power 17 - 20 -> prolific slugger 14 - 17 -> decent slugger 11 - 14 -> above average slugger 0 - 11 ---> nothing Fielding 17 - 20 -> amazing in the field 15 - 17 -> outstanding in the field 13 - 15 -> solid in the field 9 - 12 ---> nothing 8 - 9 -- --> below average fielder 6 - 7 -- --> poor fielder 0 - 6 -- --> atrocious fielder Speed 17 - 20 -> really quick 14 - 17 -> decent speed 7 - 13 ---> nothing 0 - 7 -- --> not very fast Logic would seem to dictate that all of these scales should overlap, so I believe there are a few small holes in this data. If anyone has evidence addressing one of those holes, I'd appreciate a mail. Also note - you can have up to 14 with no rating in curveball, but only 12 with no rating in fastball. A "major league curveball" caps at 17, while a "major league fastball" caps at 16. The scales are all a little different. Updated Monday, May 4 2015 @ 8:24:39 pm PDT

#18664	05/05/2015 5:00:28 pm
Bilbo Shaggins Joined: 01/01/2015 Posts: 59 Inactive	Good enough, I'll see how this compares to my players. Thanks!!!

#18671	05/05/2015 6:44:59 pm
Rock777 Joined: 09/21/2014 Posts: 9603 Haverhill Halflings III.1	This was compiled by looking at 28-30 year old players who were maxed out per their POT (103 for POT 12, 111 for POT 13, etc.), so I'm very confident its correct. Its just the small holes (like Very good -> great hitting), where I am not 100% on the boundary. For instance Great Hitting might actually be 17 - 20, I just haven't seen a guy yet that is maxed out and has 17 hitting and isn't scouted as Very Good. Nor have I seen a guy with 18 hitting who is scouted as Very Good. I'm pretty sure there should be an overlap, thus the small holes. Updated Tuesday, May 5 2015 @ 6:47:27 pm PDT

#21313	07/22/2015 5:58:18 pm
Pig_Cola Joined: 09/15/2013 Posts: 1445 Glendale Marshals III.2	Don't feel like starting a new thread about this, but where does CoS fall into?

#21318	07/22/2015 8:18:52 pm
Seca Joined: 05/05/2014 Posts: 5201 Waterloo Dinosaurs Legends	CoS is not described in the written scouting. No positive or negative messages. If the pitcher doesn't have a change up listed among his pitches, it may be a sign his CoS has a low ceiling.

#21327	07/23/2015 4:33:20 am
Yuri84 Joined: 10/14/2014 Posts: 639 Apple Valley Raccoons IV.4	I've seen pitchers without a changeup (or any offspeed pitches) but with 16-18 CoS skill.

#21329	07/23/2015 5:50:41 am
Seca Joined: 05/05/2014 Posts: 5201 Waterloo Dinosaurs Legends	Aye. That's why the may is in there. It's not a hard and fast rule. But it can give you a hint.

#21331	07/23/2015 6:55:54 am
Seca Joined: 05/05/2014 Posts: 5201 Waterloo Dinosaurs Legends	May be worth adding that this works for movement too. A pitcher without a breaking ball (curve, slider) hints at weak movement skill. Less useful, since movement has positive scouting messages.

#21332	07/23/2015 8:30:58 am
Pig_Cola Joined: 09/15/2013 Posts: 1445 Glendale Marshals III.2	How about BC and PD?

#21345	07/23/2015 3:44:11 pm
Seca Joined: 05/05/2014 Posts: 5201 Waterloo Dinosaurs Legends	Not scouted. Can be estimated starting from the total SI and subtracting all the scouted and known values. Apologies for an earlier post in this thread. Seems kind of passive-aggressive on the reread. Not my intent. There is ambiguity in the scouting. In the bars. In the potential. Seems expected there would be a little in pitching repertoires as well. Updated Thursday, July 23 2015 @ 3:47:23 pm PDT

#21346	07/23/2015 3:49:17 pm
Pig_Cola Joined: 09/15/2013 Posts: 1445 Glendale Marshals III.2	It's all good, but it does bring some give me more insight how my players will develop.

#28103	12/18/2015 3:51:45 pm
Brewnoe Joined: 03/25/2014 Posts: 818 Fall River Naughty Dawgs IV.5	If it can't be stickied, this at least needs to stay of the first page for new managers

#35348	06/12/2016 8:17:38 am
cmneal Joined: 05/25/2014 Posts: 33 Bolingbrook Beavers IV.2	check out Temple, nothing for movement but still achieved 16.

#35349	06/12/2016 8:44:02 am
Rock777 Joined: 09/21/2014 Posts: 9603 Haverhill Halflings III.1	Wow! That's highly unusual, 2 points higher than the normal range. I'd say either the scouts dropped the ball on the report, or the management team is overrating him. Ratings can be off by as much as 20%. But I've never seen them conflict with the scouting report like that. My guess would be that the scouting report was wrong, and as the management staff got to know the player better his true form is now showing.

#35354	06/12/2016 9:20:50 am
newtman Joined: 11/02/2013 Posts: 3343 Inactive	Fascinating outlier there. We have known that a variety of atypical occurrences can happen, but this is a new one for me as well. The important thing to remember that both Rock and I have looked at thousands of pitchers, and this is the first either of us have ever seen that happen. It therefore should not be taken for more that it is, an extreme outlier that may or not not pop up every few thousand cases. Congrats though! Also, Rock's analysis is also worth bearing in mind.

#35399	06/12/2016 5:32:52 pm
Crazy Li Joined: 01/25/2015 Posts: 879 Inactive	Have we considered that the scouts don't tell us everything? As in a no-report for an attribute doesn't necessarily mean he's outside the range that gets reports, but just they didn't bother checking that? So it's not so much the report was wrong but it didn't address movement at all so it could literally be anything. Just a thought there. It's not like we have someone that has "his control will be lacking" end up with 16 control here. On the latter note, it's then also not safe to assume that no mention of control means it will be good for sure. Updated Sunday, June 12 2016 @ 5:34:19 pm PDT

#35400	06/12/2016 5:57:14 pm
Tiger504 Joined: 06/17/2014 Posts: 1314 Kalamazoo Bloody Tigers III.4	@cmneal - just curious what you have your training settings at? Or rather, do you emphasize movement in training?

#35406	06/12/2016 7:06:49 pm
Rock777 Joined: 09/21/2014 Posts: 9603 Haverhill Halflings III.1	Have we considered that the scouts don't tell us everything? Its possible, but as Newtman said, I haven't seen it happen in all the players I've looked at. I have seen guys fail to make their targets, but that is harder to determine if they stunted. I think it has more to do with the +/-20% that scouting can be inaccurate and the fact that the ratings get more accurate over time. I've just never seen that big a discrepancy.

#43344	12/26/2016 2:56:26 pm
Philliesworld Joined: 10/17/2014 Posts: 788 Pierre Jacobins III.3	Just wanted to say that this thread has helped me out more than any other since I started playing over two years ago, I read over a year and a half ago. I'm not saying I have been very successful, lol, but it gave me much needed knowledge in understanding scouting, which directly impacted my drafting and free agent signings. Thanks to Rock777, and the rest. Updated Monday, December 26 2016 @ 2:58:04 pm PST

#43368	12/27/2016 11:59:27 pm
Favuz Joined: 02/26/2014 Posts: 639 Oxnard Sunsets IV.3	I've got an interesting outlier too, check his hitting report

#43667	01/06/2017 1:09:24 am
jackozar Joined: 10/21/2015 Posts: 29 Inactive	Hi, this post is very helpful, hence thx. I wanted to point out an outlier, prospect n. 4 on the global list as of now, Mateo narvaez, with 17 movement and scouts do not say anything. Just food for thought... Edit here's the link http://brokenbat.org/player/105861 Updated Friday, January 6 2017 @ 1:15:11 am PST

#43954	01/15/2017 3:33:35 pm
Frankebasta Joined: 09/15/2013 Posts: 885 Kodiak Mules III.3	Something fishy going on with Narvaez: there's no report for 2029 season! He did not play neither in the minors, nor in the majors. He was not released either. What happened???

#43964	01/15/2017 9:32:03 pm
newtman Joined: 11/02/2013 Posts: 3343 Inactive	That can happen if they are in the minors, but don't get put in any games. Very odd that someone with his skills wasn't selected. My theory would be that given he was in AA in 2028, that he was still in AA in 2029 and wasn't selected because he was TOO skilled. In other words, similarly to how the AI won't select 27 year olds or older players to play in minor league games under normal circumstances maybe it won't select a player with ~98-100 SI to play in a AA game. He in currently at AAA with the "learned all he can" tag. From my experience players with that tag tend to get selected less. Just a theory...

#43972	01/16/2017 6:03:36 am
Rock777 Joined: 09/21/2014 Posts: 9603 Haverhill Halflings III.1	Also possible that the previous owner promoted him to the majors and didn't put him in the lineup. Then with the AI took over it left him there and didn't put him in the lineup either.

#44303	01/24/2017 5:31:50 pm
Mcdoogle Joined: 05/21/2015 Posts: 243 Inactive	Not sure if it's considered an outlier, but Medina went past his projected hitting by 1 point. Updated Tuesday, January 24 2017 @ 5:32:46 pm PST

#46587	03/11/2017 6:14:14 pm
Brewnoe Joined: 03/25/2014 Posts: 818 Fall River Naughty Dawgs IV.5	Reposting to save a few clicks to get to the important info: Rock777 wrote - I don't think there is one, but this is the info I have compiled: Velocity 18 - 20 -> fastball unhittable 16 - 18 -> strike out pitcher 14 - 16 -> major league fastball 12 - 14 -> have some pop 0 - 12 ---> nothing Movement 17 - 20 -> curveball/slider exceptional 14 - 17 -> major league curveball/slider 0 - 14 ---> nothing Stamina 17 - 20 -> throw all day 14 - 17 -> starting pitcher 9 - 14 ---> nothing 0 - 8 -- --> few innings Control 10 - 20 -> nothing 8 - 10 ---> Control below average 6 - 8 -- --> Lacking 0 - 6 -- --> Wild Hitting 18 - 20 -> great hitter 15 - 17 -> very good hitter 13 - 15 -> good hitter 7 - 13 ---> nothing 0 - 7 -- --> never be a decent hitter Power 17 - 20 -> prolific slugger 14 - 17 -> decent slugger 11 - 14 -> above average slugger 0 - 11 ---> nothing Fielding 17 - 20 -> amazing in the field 15 - 17 -> outstanding in the field 13 - 15 -> solid in the field 9 - 12 ---> nothing 8 - 9 -- --> below average fielder 6 - 7 -- --> poor fielder 0 - 6 -- --> atrocious fielder Speed 17 - 20 -> really quick 14 - 17 -> decent speed 7 - 13 ---> nothing 0 - 7 -- --> not very fast Logic would seem to dictate that all of these scales should overlap, so I believe there are a few small holes in this data. If anyone has evidence addressing one of those holes, I'd appreciate a mail. Also note - you can have up to 14 with no rating in curveball, but only 12 with no rating in fastball. A "major league curveball" caps at 17, while a "major league fastball" caps at 16. The scales are all a little different. Updated Monday, May 4 2015 @ 8:24:39 pm PDT

#46593	03/12/2017 1:17:25 am
Yuri84 Joined: 10/14/2014 Posts: 639 Apple Valley Raccoons IV.4	Good hitter with 16 hitting. He's also an above average slugger with 15 power. Updated Sunday, March 12 2017 @ 1:18:10 am PST

#46596	03/12/2017 4:24:35 am
Philliesworld Joined: 10/17/2014 Posts: 788 Pierre Jacobins III.3	Got a Very good hitter with 19 hitting.

#46597	03/12/2017 4:53:06 am
AssumedPseudonym Joined: 10/26/2016 Posts: 1130 Deerfield Beach Rats V.7	Lee is a “poor fielder” with a 9 in fielding (which is particularly intriguing since it started out at 9 when I drafted him). Updated Sunday, March 12 2017 @ 4:57:35 am PDT